Robert Noyes
(Abt 1390-)
Unknown Noyes
Robert Noyes
(Abt 1415-)

 

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Robert Noyes

  • Born: Abt 1415
  • Marriage: Unknown
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Farmed Ramridge from 1493 to 1497, from dates of mention in assorted records. He could conceivably have been the son of John who farmed Ramridge from 1475 to 1484, but it looks more likely that they were brothers.

Dates and relationships here are conjectural.

It is not known which of two men who logic suggests were brothers was the father of this set of Noyes brothers; William, founder of the Urchifont branch, Thomas who married Agnes and farmed the manor, and Robert who married Joan Mondey, leased the Manor of Littleton in Kimpton and farmed the Manor of Ramridge while Thomas's son Thomas was a minor; possibly Nicholas, and two children named Child. Birth dates for Robert and deduced brother John are hypothetical, and so is that of their probably grandfather Robert who probably was sent from Suffolk to manage the estate. Math leads one to believe that there was probably a son of Robert, father of John and Robert, of whom there is no record.

They were almost certainly related to the Noyes family in Suffolk, and possibly related to Noyes' listed elsewhere in England much earlier.

Walter Noyse fined concerning land in Scoteby, Norfolk, 10 Aug 1209.

Someone w similar name in Domesday Book, owned land.

Willam and Simon Noyse listed in Ville de Laxfield, Hoxne Hundred, Suffolk, 1327.

6 Noyse wills, court of Archdeacon of Suffolk;

Robert Noyse of Fressingfield, d 1463, married Agnes d 1464.
William of Ubbeston d 1469
Robert of Wingfield d 1471
William of Laxfield d 1510
Robert of Laxfield d 1510.

Three of these people including two Robert's were clearly of a single generation.

Their wills, on the web site of a Noyse whose line stayed in England and still lives near Ramridge and Cholderton, are consistent with the notion that they were yeomen but mention small amounts of money and no property. Agnes owned several nice and colorful medieval style garments. The wills also markedly for the most part fail to mention Noyes relations or name at most one.

Laxfield, Fressingfield, Winfield and Ubbeston were four adjacent villages in northwestern Suffolk County.

Katherine, heiress of Sir John of Wingfield, married Michael de la Pole, frist Earl of Suffolk. The manor of Ramridge, in Hampshire County, otherwise called "the Wingate estates" or the "Winfield estates", came to the de la Pole marriage with her. They had importance because one of the greatest fairs in England was held partly at Ramridge.

The Winfield estates passed ot the earl's eldest son Michael, 2nd earl, who died in 1415. But Ramridge had gone to his younger brother, Sir Thomas de la Pole, who died in 1420. Then Thomas's son Thoams owned Ramridge. He died in 1430 with no male issue.

Ramridge then revereted to Michael's son and heir, William de la Pole, who was first Duke of Suffolk. This brought Ramridge in 1430 back to the Wingate estates.

A record taht Robert Noys was "farming the Manor", ie rendering its accounts, of Ramridge in 1432-3.
It is supposed that the de la Pole's very likely sent one of their men from Suffolk to manage the "distant" Hampshire county estate.

The Duke and his wife Alice Chaucer, granddaughter and heir of the poet Chaucer, founded God's House = Eveline Hospital, in 1437. It was endowed with the manor of Ramridge in 1442. (In Peter Noyes' time, the board that ran the hospital was the "lord of the Manor" of Ramridge.)

John Noyse farmer of Ramrugge 1476-84.
Robert Noyes farmer of Rammridge 1493-7.
1509 Thomas Noyes and Agnes his wife leased a cottage called "Saynt" and an acre of land. 1512 it was recorded that Thomas Noyse farmer of this lordship and his predecessors time out of mind, had a parcel called Stallys" and "Bolus" or something.

1517 amster f Eweline granted Thos Noyse lease of capital messuage of his manor at Ramrugge with lands, courts etc except Weyhill Church for 50 yrs for rent. 1518 lease granted same for 40 yrs.

Thos Noyes was farmer of the Manor in 1578 when he made agreemetns with his tenants. This Thomas was b in say 1488.

Several possible schemes of relationship between these people. Robert b say 1390 may have fathered John b say 1415, may have fathered Robt b say 1440, may have fathered Thomas of Andover b say 1465, may have fathered Thomas b say 1488.

Alternately and more probably, Robert b say 1390 fathered someone unknown, who fathered John (b say 1415?) and Robert b say 1440, one of them fathered Thomas b say 1465, who ismentioned in the Court Rolls of Andover 1490-1, had Thomas Noyes born say 1488.

Thomas Noyes born say 1488 is the first person from whom relationships are known for a certainty (though it looks pretty certain that his father and his uncle William are proven, too).


Origins


When talking of origins, it is the earliest records of the Noyes family that are referred to. The Family Noyes can be separated into two, seemingly separate main groups; East Anglian and South of England. The South of England Family originates in Hampshire and Wiltshire, the earliest member referred to (Robert Noys) in the court rolls of Ramridge Manor within the parish of Penton Grafton alias Weyhill in 1432. Records for the East Anglian Noyse go back further still. William and Simon Noysse were both listed in the Subsidy Returns for Suffolk in 1327 for Laxfield. A Walter Noyse was mentioned in connection with a land fine c.1209 in Scratby, a village on the coast of Norfolk just north of Great Yarmouth. Going back further still, William de Noyers is given as a major land holder in Norfolk and Suffolk (mainly for the King) in the Domesday book and maybe the originator of the Noyse family in this area. Are the two families, East Anglian and Southern counties Noyse the same family? Could the name Noyse or Noyes evolve in two places separately? The best theory so far is as follows. Ramridge was owned by the de la Pole Family since 1354 (VCH Hampshire v.4 p. 395) and passed through the family until in 1430, Thomas de la Pole died without issue and the estate passed, with others, to his cousin William de la Pole, fourth Earl and later Duke of Suffolk. It was this bequest that united the estates in Hampshire, Wiltshire and Buckinghamshire with Suffolk. William de la Pole also held a property in London, where due to his position, he spent much of his time. William de la Pole played a leading role in the war with France and conflicting sources describe him as being on English or French soil between 1430 and 1432 at various times. He was far from the average "Lord of the Manor" and must have run his country estates by means of servants or stewards. The Suffolk estates were in the parishes of Wingfield, Fressingfield and Laxfield, and the long established Noysse family of Laxfield may have worked in the service of the de la Poles. It is from this family that Robert Noys may have come to manage the newly acquired estate of Ramridge in 1432 for William de la Pole. Currently, we have no proof that Robert Noys of Ramridge came from Suffolk, just this theory. Maybe someone will one day find the shred of proof.


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Robert married.




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