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Unknown Noyes
Robert Noyes
(Abt 1415-)
Thomas Noyes
(Abt 1465-Bef 1515)

 

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Thomas Noyes

  • Born: Abt 1465, Weyhill, Hampshire, England
  • Marriage: Agnes before 1465
  • Died: Bef 1515
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Of Andover. and presumably of Ramrige.

Definately born before 1503. May have been an only child.

Mentioned in court rolls of Andover as farming Ramridge 1490-1. His brother farmed Ramridge 1493-7, according to a lawsuit on behalf of Thomas's son Thomas who was a minor, so Thomas died between 1491 and 1493.

Thomas is the earliest recorded Noyes in teh vicinity of Kimton, 4 mi NE of Cholderton, in Hampshire Co (Cholderton is in Wiltshire). Probably died fairly young with one male heir, as that figured in Robert farmng the manor for his one son.

It is hard to tell him from his son in the records.

He may be the Thomas who held "the Saynt". in 1509 18 years after he died.

Thomas Jr was married to Dennys; not his only wife?
He or his son had "Stallys" and "Bolis" or "Bohis" properties in 1512.


NEHGR Vol 149: Appeared in the court rolls of Andover 24 August 1490, 20 September 1490 and 11 July 1491. Thomas is the earliest recorded Noyes to be found in the vicinity of Kimpton, which is about four miles northeast of Cholderton.
NEHGR Vol 152: May have been born about 1465. He died probably fairly young, leaving one male heir, but it is difficult to know which references relate to him and which to his son and heir Thomas. It is likely that he was the Thomas Noyes who is stated to be "mentioned in the court rolls of Andover" on 24 August and 20 September 1490 and 11 July 1491. He may also be the Thomas Noyes who, with his wife Agnes, held the cottage called "the Saynte" with lands and one acre of meadow for the term of their lives on 21 May Henry VIII [1509]. It is almost certain that Thomas was dead by 1515, as it is clear the Thomas mentioned in the entail of Littleton about 1515 was son Thomas. Assuming Thomas was an adult by 1515, he would possibly also be the Thomas Noyes who was "farmer of this lordship [Ramridge]" in 1512. This being the case, the son Thomas was born probably about 1488, or shortly thereafter.

Birt Note

NEHGR, Vol 149 has no date. Born possibly at Ramridge.



His ancestry:

They were almost certainly related to the Noyes family in Suffolk, and possibly related to Noyes' listed elsewhere in England much earlier.

Walter Noyse fined concerning land in Scoteby, Norfolk, 10 Aug 1209.

Someone w similar name in Domesday Book, owned land.

Willam and Simon Noyse listed in Ville de Laxfield, Hoxne Hundred, Suffolk, 1327.

6 Noyse wills, court of Archdeacon of Suffolk;

Robert Noyse of Fressingfield, d 1463, married Agnes d 1464.
William of Ubbeston d 1469
Robert of Wingfield d 1471
William of Laxfield d 1510
Robert of Laxfield d 1510.

Three of these people including two Robert's were clearly of a single generation.

Their wills, on the web site of a Noyse whose line stayed in England and still lives near Ramridge and Cholderton, are consistent with the notion that they were yeomen but mention small amounts of money and no property. Agnes owned several nice and colorful medieval style garments. The wills also markedly for the most part fail to mention Noyes relations or name at most one.

Laxfield, Fressingfield, Winfield and Ubbeston were four adjacent villages in northwestern Suffolk County.

Katherine, heiress of Sir John of Wingfield, married Michael de la Pole, frist Earl of Suffolk. The manor of Ramridge, in Hampshire County, otherwise called "the Wingate estates" or the "Winfield estates", came to the de la Pole marriage with her. They had importance because one of the greatest fairs in England was held partly at Ramridge.

The Winfield estates passed ot the earl's eldest son Michael, 2nd earl, who died in 1415. But Ramridge had gone to his younger brother, Sir Thomas de la Pole, who died in 1420. Then Thomas's son Thoams owned Ramridge. He died in 1430 with no male issue.

Ramridge then reverted to Michael's son and heir, William de la Pole, who was first Duke of Suffolk. This brought Ramridge in 1430 back to the Wingate estates.

A record taht Robert Noys was "farming the Manor", ie rendering its accounts, of Ramridge in 1432-3.
It is supposed that the de la Pole's very likely sent one of their men from Suffolk to manage the "distant" Hampshire county estate.

Stuart Noyes, stuart.noyes@tesco.net, who still lives near Cholderton and has an extremely good web site about teh extended clan and its ancestry, has a just slightly different version of this.

The Duke and his wife Alice Chaucer, granddaughter and heir of the poet Chaucer, founded God's House = Eveline Hospital, in 1437. It was endowed with the manor of Ramridge in 1442. (In Peter Noyes' time, the board that ran the hospital was the "lord of the Manor" of Ramridge.)

John Noyse farmer of Ramrugge 1476-84.
Robert Noyes farmer of Rammridge 1493-7.
1509 Thomas Noyes and Agnes his wife leased a cottage called "Saynt" and an acre of land. 1512 it was recorded that Thomas Noyse farmer of this lordship and his predecessors time out of mind, had a parcel called Stallys" and "Bolus" or something.

1517 amster f Eweline granted Thos Noyse lease of capital messuage of his manor at Ramrugge with lands, courts etc except Weyhill Church for 50 yrs for rent. 1518 lease granted same for 40 yrs.

Thos Noyes was farmer of the Manor in 1578 when he made agreemetns with his tenants. This Thomas was b in say 1488.

Several possible schemes of relationship between these people. Robert b say 1390 may have fathered John b say 1415, may have fathered Robt b say 1440, may have fathered Thomas of Andover b say 1465, may have fathered Thomas b say 1488.

Alternately and more probably, Robert b say 1390 fathered someone unknown, who fathered John (b say 1415?) and Robert b say 1440, one of them fathered Thomas b say 1465, who ismentioned in the Court Rolls of Andover 1490-1, had Thomas Noyes born say 1488.

Thomas Noyes born say 1488 is the first person from whom relationships are known for a certainty (though it looks pretty certain that his father and his uncle William are proven, too).




Origins


When talking of origins, it is the earliest records of the Noyes family that are referred to. The Family Noyes can be separated into two, seemingly separate main groups; East Anglian and South of England. The South of England Family originates in Hampshire and Wiltshire, the earliest member referred to (Robert Noys) in the court rolls of Ramridge Manor within the parish of Penton Grafton alias Weyhill in 1432. Records for the East Anglian Noyse go back further still. William and Simon Noysse were both listed in the Subsidy Returns for Suffolk in 1327 for Laxfield. A Walter Noyse was mentioned in connection with a land fine c.1209 in Scratby, a village on the coast of Norfolk just north of Great Yarmouth. Going back further still, William de Noyers is given as a major land holder in Norfolk and Suffolk (mainly for the King) in the Domesday book and maybe the originator of the Noyse family in this area. Are the two families, East Anglian and Southern counties Noyse the same family? Could the name Noyse or Noyes evolve in two places separately? The best theory so far is as follows. Ramridge was owned by the de la Pole Family since 1354 (VCH Hampshire v.4 p. 395) and passed through the family until in 1430, Thomas de la Pole died without issue and the estate passed, with others, to his cousin William de la Pole, fourth Earl and later Duke of Suffolk. It was this bequest that united the estates in Hampshire, Wiltshire and Buckinghamshire with Suffolk. William de la Pole also held a property in London, where due to his position, he spent much of his time. William de la Pole played a leading role in the war with France and conflicting sources describe him as being on English or French soil between 1430 and 1432 at various times. He was far from the average "Lord of the Manor" and must have run his country estates by means of servants or stewards. The Suffolk estates were in the parishes of Wingfield, Fressingfield and Laxfield, and the long established Noysse family of Laxfield may have worked in the service of the de la Poles. It is from this family that Robert Noys may have come to manage the newly acquired estate of Ramridge in 1432 for William de la Pole. Currently, we have no proof that Robert Noys of Ramridge came from Suffolk, just this theory. Maybe someone will one day find the shred of proof.



Apart from Robert Noys of Ramridge 1432, several other individuals have left their mark in surviving records from the fifteenth century in two other parishes, namely Kimpton, Hampshire and Urchfont, Wiltshire. John Noyes is mentioned to be in Ramridge Manor in the 1470's and Richard Noyes is described as of Shoddesden (parish of Kimpton), also in the same decade. At this stage there is no proof of relationships, but we can surmise that Richard and John might be the sons of Robert mentioned in 1432. In the 1490's, other family members are uncovered. Robert of Ramridge, Thomas of Littleton (parish of Kimpton) and William of Urchfont. Again, proven relationships are non-existent and assigning members to particular generations is not straightforward. The next generation is where records become more generous, and the branches split in the previous century more pronounced.

There are many records for Robert Noyes of Littleton Manor, who is probably the son of Thomas of Littleton. John dcd 1538 son of Robert moved to Shipton Bellinger and started the Shipton branch that survived well into the C17th. Noyes from the Tidworth area most probably came from this branch. Nicholas son of Robert of Littleton moved to Cholderton and founded the branch that most American Noyes descend. Descendants of this branch also moved to Burbage and Pewsey, Wiltshire.

The Ramridge Family is now represented by Thomas Noyes dcd 1555, but his parentage is unclear. Richard of Frilsham, Berkshire dcd 1568 is most probably the younger brother of Thomas of Ramridge. The Berkshire branch can be traced for a few generations but is then lost. Undoubtedly, Noyes from the Basingstoke and Warfield areas derive from this branch.

William of Urchfont had three sons who between them account for most of the Noyes population of Wiltshire accepting some derived from the other main branches.

Richard Noyes of Kimpton (dcd 1553) is most probably the descendant of Richard of Shoddesden (as mentioned of 1470's), and does not seem to fit in with the Littleton family although they live in the same parish. His son, Robert dcd 1574, fathered a branch that stayed in the Kimpton area, but also moved to Biddesden, parish of Ludgershall, Wiltshire. This branch could also have strayed to the Collingbournes, Tidworth and Tangley.

So from maybe one man, the South of England Noyes family both increased and migrated to pastures green. The Noyes family spread its wings quite early, but many Noyes still live near where it all began, and this author is one of them!

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Last Updated: 3rd July 1999

Stuart Noyes 1999.

Reed and Smith refer to a pedigree found at the College of Arms, Norfolk 31/29. They say this pedigree is wrong in the relationships it states-- it is clearly a mottled hash of individual facts strung together in an attempt to trace teh ancestry of William Noyes of Cholderton back as far as possible. There are other pedigrees of this family recorded in Norfolk 28/37, Norfolk 33/168, Norfolk 34/169, and Norgolk 37/27. Sir Anthony Wagner's REcords and Colections of the College of Arms (London, 1952) explains that Norfolk 31/29 ws recorded in 1921 by Henry Farnham Burke, norroy 1911 -19 and Garter 1919-30. All these pedigrees are therefore failrly modern creations, apparently relying on older sources.


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Thomas married Agnes before 1465.




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