Robert Noyes
(Abt 1415-)
Thomas Noyes
(Abt 1465-Bef 1515)
Thomas Noyes
(Abt 1488-Abt 1554)


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Thomas Noyes

  • Born: Abt 1488
  • Marriage: Dennys
  • Died: Abt 1554 about age 66

bullet  General Notes:

His birth date conjectured from somewhat contradictory evidence. He must have been a minor when his father died whenever that was if that is why his uncle administered Ramridge in 1493-7.

Possibly the farmer of Ramridge on 1512, if so b abat 1488.

He died between 5 Feb 1554 and 19 Jan 1555.

Possibly born at Ramridge.

Taxed at Penton Grafton (other name of Blissmore Hall, Parish of Weyhill, also known as Penton Grafton?) for 40 pounds in 1523/4, 1550's in decreasing amounts; by his death in 1555, he had devised most of his property to his sons.

Of the manor of Littlejohn, Parish of Kimpton.

He acquired manor of Ramridge, manor of Blissmore Hall.

Farmer of the manor 1528 who made agreements w his tenants.

Thomas Noyes was born say 1488, and definitely before 1503, and may have been an only child. He died between 5 February 155[3/]4 and 19 January 1554/5.
Thomas Noyes of Ramridge, in the parish of Weyhill, was taxed for 40 in goods 15 Henry VIII [1523/4]. Thomas Noyse was taxed for 40 in goods at Penton Grafton in the subsidies of 36 and 37 Henry VIII [1544/5 and 1545/6], but only 30 in goods 1 Edw. VI [1547/8] and 3 Edw. VI [1549/50]. The following year (4 Edw. VI [1550/1]), his goods were valued at 24, and by 6 Edw. VI [1552/3] - by which time he had conveyed a substantial portion of his estate to his son Robert and grandson John - only 10. Thomas Noyes is recorded as serving on a jury of inquiry at Collingbourne Kingston on 20 April 37 Henry VIII [1546] with Thomas Corderoy and William Sotewell, both of Chute.

Thomas Noyes was mentioned with his cousins, the children of his uncle Robert Noyes, in several suits concerning the entail of the manor of Littleton in the parish of Kimpton. In a suit before the Court of Requests, it was recorded that "Jone Noyes, widow [of Robert, Sr.], Robert Noyes [Jr.], Wyll[ia]m Noyes, John Noyes the brother of the said Robert, Nych[o]las Noyes, Thomas Noyes, Emma wife of the said Robert, John Noyes son of the said Robert, Jone Noyes and Anne Noyes daughters of the said Robert" leased the manor of Lytleton with appurtenances from the Abbot of the Monastary of St. Peters of Gloucester.

[PRO Court of Requests, REQ2/14/71. Robert Noyse brought a Bill of Complaint against John and Nycholas Seyntjohn for bringing "unlawful assembly with force of arms w swords and bucklars, daggers, stavys, bills and other weapons... and breaking the king's peace..." A suit in the Court of Star Chamber, STAC3/2/32, also recites the deed indented 4 April 15 Henr. VIII by which the Abbot leased the manor of Lyttleton to "Joane Noyse widow, Robert Noyse this complt., Wyllm Noyse, John Noyse brother of Robert, Nycholas Noyse, Thomas Noyse, Emme wife of Robert, John Noyse son of Robert, Joane Noyse and Anne Noyse daughters of Robert" to hold the manor for the term of 61 years, adn the second deed indented 16 July 24 Hen. VIII for 70 years which excluded Thomas, Nicholas, John and William.

This transaction took place 4 April 15 Henry VIII [1524] and was for the term of 61 years. The record goes on to say that Thomas Noyes and all but the children of Robert were of majority. On 16 July 24 Henry VIII [1532], another deed was drawn up leasing the manor to "joan Noyes the widow, Robert Noyes, Emme, John Noyes the son, Jone the daughter and Anne Noyes, and Margery, Agnes, Mary, Ede and Cecely, daughters of Robert and Emme [born since the previous contract]," to hold for a period of 70 years so long as they should live. Nicholas St. John countered that Joan Noyes, widow, and Robert meant to defraud William, John, and Nicholas Noyes, "the brethren of Robert," and Thomas Noyes. Nicholas Seyntjohn had purchased the rights from various parties to the first lease.

[This Nicholas St. John was a man of no small influence. He was head of the St. John family of Lidiard, Tregoz, Wiltshire, an M.P., and a staunch Protestant who served under Sir Francis Knollys, Privy Councilor of Elizabeth. His son Oliver was appointed Lord Deputy of Ireland and made Viscount Grandison (Sir Egerton Brydges, Collins Peerage of England...,6 [London, 1812]: 48-50). His father, John St. John, was also M.P., esquire of the body extraordinary, justice of the peace, and sheriff of Wiltshire (his mother was Elizabeth, daughter of Henry, Lord Scrope of Bolton) (P.W. Hasler, The House of Commons, 1558-1603 [London, 1981], 322-23, 325-26; S. T. Bindoff, ed., The House of Commons, 1509-1558, 3 [London, 1982]: 254-55, 258. John St. John purchased the manor of Littleton for his son Nicholas in 1545. In 1548, Nicholas obtrained a writ of partition from Chancery. John St. John was apparently successful in the acquisiotion, as he bequeathed Littleton to his son Willia, settling other manors on Nicholas. He gave his son William all rights and interest in two leases of the farm of Littleton "late in the tenure and occupation of one Robert Noyes and others by the grunte of the Late Abbott... of St. Peters" (PCC 1576, 32 Carew).

Nicholas Noyes and Thomas Noyes granted their interest to him at "Remrygge" [Ramridge], Hampshire. It was after purchasing those rights that Nicholas Seyntjohn attempted to enter the manor forcibly. [Details of the brutal and frightening encounters that followed are detailed in Register, 149 [1555]: 105-21.] The suit in question was apparently dated 22 June 6 Edward VI [1552]. Robert Annetts, of Vyfylde [Fifield], Hants., husbandman, aged 52, deposed that he knew Robert Noyes, "father of Robert Noyes," who had taken a lease of the manor of Lytylton long before the above mentioned leases. He leased the manor as "Robert Noyes the father," with Jone his wife, Willm Noyes, John Noyes, Nicholas Noyes, Robarte Noyes now Complainant and to Thomas Noyes cousin of Roberte Noyes the father." This deposition proves the relationship of Thomas Noyes to the others.

At the time of the suit, the term "cousin" meant an uncle/nephew relationship as readily as it would mean cousin in the way we now interpret the term. Chronology forces the conclusion that Thomas must be the elder Robert's nephew. If the relationship were further distant, it is very unlikely that Thomas would have been included in the entail of the manor with Robert and his children, or that he would be included after Robert's death when his widow Jone renewed the lease. The most logical conclusion is that Thomas was the only surviving male issue of Robert's deceased brother, and that Robert had been protecting his nephew's interests as his guardian. Robert's brother William and his family were already well provided for, so there was no reason to include them. Thomas was the male heir of the family.

Thomas Noyes and his descendants acquired both the manor of Ramridge and the manor of Blissmore Hall in the parish of Weyhill (also known as Penton Grafton). The manors were important because it was on their grounds that the annual fair was held. Weyhill Fair, "one of the largest and most celebrated in England," was held for three days, from September 28 through 30. It brought the "lord of the manor of Weyhill and others...substantial profits... In the great days of the fair 140, 000 sheep were sometimes sold in a day... It drew folk from all parts of the country, insomuch that in 1665 it was deemed expedient to forbid its being held for fear of spreading the plague.

The manors of Ramridge and Blissmore Hall appear in later records to be distinctly separate, but the Fair was held partly on Blissmore Hall Acre, partly on lands belonging to Ramridge, and partly on the parish glebe. Thomas Noyes was farmer of the manor of Ramridge by 1552/3, by which time his son Robert occupied Blissmore Hall. It was in that year that Thomas conveyed "goods, chattels and household stuff" to his grandson, John, son of Robert, who was then "about some dozen years of age." John made a deposition stating these facts on 31 May 42 Eliz. I [1600], and listing the specific goods that had been conveyed to him by his grandfather. Those goods were given to his father Robert and carried in a cart from Ramridge, where his grandfather Thomas was "then farmer," to Blissmore Hall, where John's father Robert "then dwelt," along with cattle Thomas had given both Robert and John. [This deposition shhows that while Thomas resided at and farmed Ramrdige, his son Robert occupied Blissmore Hall. The family thus had both important manors at the same time. ] Thomas charged Robert that John should receive the goods at age twenty, but John had never received them (John stated that the goods, chattels and household stuff were worth 40). At Roberts death, John "did fully and absolutely give" his right in these things to Peter Noyes, his son. Peter discharged and acquitted his uncle, William Noyes, John's brother, who was Robert's sole executor, in consideration whereof William conveyed the remainder of his estate in Blissmore Hall to Peter after William's death. Peter was also to give William's two daughters 24 marks when he received the farm.

Alexander Bolton, as Master of the Almhouse or Hospital of Ewelme, Oxford, brought suit against Thomas Noyes' son Robert, trying to regain control of the manor of Ramridge and Weyhill Fair. Master Bolton claimed "the manor of Ramryge otherwise called Weyhill" to be theirs, including "one parcel of ground containing one acre in Weyhill together with the profits of one certain fair there kept yearly by the space of three days, that is to say, the day of the feast of St. Michael the Archangel, the day before and the day after the same feast." He claimed they had been seised of it until 8 Henry VIII [1517/18], when John Rogers of Bryanston, Dorset, Esquire, fought for right of the manor with the Master of the Almhouse at that time. Master Bolton claimed they won the dispute, but had to admit that "one Robert Noyes claiming and pretending by and from John Rogers to have some feigned interest of and in the parcel of ground, and of and in the profits of the fairs" was then in possession of the manor.

[This John Rogers was actually knighted and had important influential connectins. Sir John Rogers had married Elizabeth, daughter of Sir William Courtenay of Powderham, Devon. His son, Joh, was M.P. for Dorset 1545, 1547, 1555, and 1559 (Hassler, The House of Commons 1558-1603 [note 31], 3:302; bindoff, the House of Commons 1509-1558 [note 312], 3:208). Sir John Rogers' mother was Anne, daughter of William, Lord stourton, and his grandmother was Anne, daughter and coheir of Sir Thomas Echyngham 9she married [2] John Tuchet, Lord Audley, Treasurer of England0 9see John Hutchins, The Hisotry... of the County of Dorset..., 1 [Westminster, 1861]:250).

Robert Noyes replied: That Syr John Rogers late of Branston co. Dorcester [Dorset] knight was in his life time... seized of one tenement called Blissmore Hall Farm within the parish of Weyhill co. Southt' and of one acre of ground in Weyhill, the east end of the acre bounding upon the parish church of Weyhill and the west end of the acre bounding upon the toll booth and of all other profits of the same during the time of any fair holden or kept upon Weyhill, And Sir John Rogers... 33 years since or there-abouts did let the tenement called Blissmore Hall and other the premises to Thomas Noyes the father of the defendant for certain years yet enduring, By virtue whereof Thomas Noyes the father entered Into the tenement and other the premises... And furthermore the defendant saith that by the space of 19 years (at the least) or thereabouts Thomas Noyes the father and his assigns and the defendant himself by virtue of the lease have always occupied taken and enjoyed the acre and the profits and casualties of the booths and fairs upon the acre ever since the lease without let or interruption...

The Noyes family were apparently successful in their point, as they continued to reside in the manors.

Thomas Noyse and his son Robert also had a violent feud with a local man named John Baker. It was precipitated by a suit Thomas Noyse brought against Baker in the Court of Requests, charging him with letting cattle graze on certain grounds belonging to the manor of Blissmore Hall and Weyhill.

John Baker answered: long...before the complainant [Thomas Noyes] any thing had in the Manor of Ramridge, one John Rogers knight now dead was seized in his demesne as of fee of and in the manor of Blysmere Hall...with all...profits and commodities...belonging with all...their appurtenances, And he so being seised all other whose estate John Baker now hath for term of certain years yet induring in the manor of Blysmerehall, hath had and taken the stallage and pycage and other profits of a fair yearly kept at the feast of St. Michael the Archangel at a place called Weehyll...time out of mind of man in the right of the same John Rogers without interruption And without that...the defendant at any time with his cattle and sheep wrongfully depastured and consumed the grass of [Thomas Noyse]...upon any parcel of land belonging to the manor of Remrigge or that he pretendeth the same to be parcel of the manor or farm of Blysmerhall...or that he doth intend to continue any such unlawful doings or hurts which should be to the utter undoing of [Thomas Noyes]...

Before this suit was brought to the Court of Requests, Thomas Noyse had apparently received an order from Sir William Pawlett (who presided over the Southampton assizes) ordering John Baker to suffer and permit Thomas Noyse to quietly occupy a certain parcel of land in Weyhill. John Baker also denied threatening "any frays or be committed." Thomas Noyse answered in replication that he ws ready to prove all these things in court. John Baker later brought a bill of complaint against Thomas Noyse and his son Robert in the Court of Star Chamber, claiming they were keeping harlots in the parsonage.

Thomas and Robert Noyse answered: that before the feast of St. Michael the Archangel last past...Robert Noyse...hired [of] Thomas Launcelyn parson of Wey[hill] the parsonage of Wey[hill] for the term of one year...Robert before the feast, did license John Gese to occupy the mansion house of the parsonage during the time of the fair, And that the Thursday...before the feast of St. Michael the Archangel last past,...about 5 of the clock at after noon...[John Baker] came into the mansion house and diverse suspect persons with him...

Sir Thomas Lysley had commissioned John Baker "to make search throughout the fair for vagabonds and harlots." Baker apparently used the opportunity to go to the parsonage when Robert Noyse happened to be visiting. Robert denied that he had commanded John Gese to keep suspect persons "nor ill rule in the liberty of Robert Noyse, 'What hast thou to do here to forbid any man the house being none of thine." A strange reaction for a man charged with doing what Robert had just requested! Robert told him "he had to do there for he paid the rent for the same." At this, John Baker "with opprobrious words given to Robert Noyse" struck Robert with his bill, and then struck Robert on the side of his forehead [so] "that the blood ran out." Then John Baker stabbed Robert in the head with his woodknife. In this "evil demeanor," John Baker was put out of the house and the doors shut against him. He shouted that if Robert Noyse wouldn't let him in, he would break down the doors or windows. He then broke through one of the windows and "put in the window the harlot called Besse Sylverpynne," saying "he would thrust his dagger to the heart of Robert Noyse wheresoever he met him." He continued, ranting that he would set the house on fire unless Robert let him in.. After this Robert Noyse caused John BAker "to be truly indicted thereof before the King's Justice in the said County of Southampton" and bound for keeping the King's Peace. Robert denied the charge of John Baker that his tenant John Gese willingly supported and kept harlots in the parsonage or any suspect persons, or that by his support "kept any abominable or unthrifty rule in the parsonage," or that Robert Noyse "did company with the harlots and vagabonds." Robert also stated that he hadn't had any coat or doublet to defend himself, and denied making any unlawful resistance. He also denied that he or Thomas Noyse had out of malice pursued John Baker and caused him to be indicted, "or that Robert Noyse or his adherents did beat, hurt and evil intreat [John Baker] contrary to the King's peace and laws." Robert also denied the charge that he and Thomas Noyse "have always intended the destruction or undoing" of John Baker "or else for vexation and malice caused [John Baker] to be arrested [and] bound to the peace before the King's Justices of the Peace in the county of Southampton." (It would have been even more remarkable, after having been so attacked, if Robert and Thomas Noyse had not brought suit against John Baker to keep the King's Peace, maliciously or no.)

It would appear that Thomas Noyse had disposed of most of his goods and lands before the time of his death, including cattle.

His will was proved 19 January 1554/5 and administration granted to the executrix, his wife. The undated inventory taken by John Dorma, Robert Noyse [the testator's son], and Richard Fuller totaled only 9:5:4, including 26 sheep, two kine, and personal effects.

Title - of Ramridge

Will - 5 FEB 1553/54;

Event Will (proved) - 19 JAN 1554/55; Thomas Noyes

His will:

Thomas Noyes d Weyill 1555

In the name of God Amen in the year of our Lord God M M IIII C XV the V day of February I Thomas Noyse of the parish of Weyhill sick in my body but of good ? make my last will and testament after this manner and form following. First I bequeath my soule at Almighty God and my body to be buried in the church yard of Weyhill. Also first I give and bequeath to the church of Weyhill XII d. I bequeath unto every one of my Godchildren IIII d apease. Also I bequeath unto every one of John Grays children one sheep apease. Item I give to every one of my witnesses IIII d apease. I give and bequeath unto Peter Noyse my son and John Brackston my overseers III shillings IIII d. Item the residue of my goods moveable and unmoveable I give unto Annys my wife whom I make my sole executrix. In witness whereof Sir John Ireland, Richard Fuller, Lizzy Burke, John Tarrant ? ? and my overseers my son Peter and John Brackston. Item ? Cowly owes me XX shillings. Item Peter Sopp*** owes me for wool XXX shillings.

It would appear that Thomas Noyse had disposed of most of his goods and lands before the time of his death, including cattle. Only one possible probate record that could be his has been found.

The undated inventory of the estate totaled only 9 pounds, including 26 sheep, two kine, and personal effects.


Thomas married Dennys. (Dennys died in 1554.)

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